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Scan Request - Dec. 15 1971 WT chart & full page

by Ultimate Reality in

hey everyone,.

i am writing an important letter to my family and i would like to get a full page scan with the famous 'chart' of jehovah down to the local rank & file.. i am hoping that the chart and the infamous, "it is a theocratic organization, ruled from the divine top down, and not from the rank and file up.

", are on the same page.

Ultimate Reality

BluesBrother,

Thank you for your contribution, it will help because, "I'm on a mission from God."

UR

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Scan Request - Dec. 15 1971 WT chart & full page

by Ultimate Reality in

hey everyone,.

i am writing an important letter to my family and i would like to get a full page scan with the famous 'chart' of jehovah down to the local rank & file.. i am hoping that the chart and the infamous, "it is a theocratic organization, ruled from the divine top down, and not from the rank and file up.

", are on the same page.

Ultimate Reality

Hey everyone,

I am writing an important letter to my family and I would like to get a full page scan with the famous 'chart' of Jehovah down to the local rank & file.

I am hoping that the chart and the infamous, "It is a theocratic organization, ruled from the divine Top down, and not from the rank and file up .", are on the same page. There are plenty of scans of the chart around but the whole page would be most helpful.

Thanks!

UR

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Memorial 2010 Your Experiences

by scotinsw in

just got back from memorial.

only went so that i could say to my parents that i had gone and to remind myself why i left.. oh my word!!!

it was sooooo painful.. got there a bit late - it was a couple of minutes into the talk.

Ultimate Reality

The new songs are horrible. They put you in a trance. The old ones for the memorial were quite pleasing and even upbeat (Hail Jehovah's First Born), but that is no longer the case.

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CO visit provides preview of April generation change!

by agent zero in

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i thought the april wt's brazen generation doctrine change would barely get an official mention before nor after the two paragraphs that deal with it, but yesterday i went to the circuit overseer's visit and in a talk from a bethel outline, he specifically mentioned the change, and i quote... "the very very very newest information we have available, from the april 15th 2010 watchtower!

" ..reads the infamous paragraphs.. and then, "isn't that wonderful brothers and sisters?

so now we understand that it means that brother russell's life overlapped with brother rutherford's who's life overlapped (he went through them all), so clearly, this means the end is near.".

Ultimate Reality

This C.O. may not be a true believer anymore. Perhaps he's trying to wake people up in his own way.

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Feel the Love ? ... continued

by AK - Jeff in

nov 15, 1952 watchtower pp.703-704 questions from readers .

questions from readers.

in the case of where a father or mother or son or daughter is disfellowshiped, how should such person be treated by members of the family in their family relationship?p.c., ontario, canada.. we are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from god and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of israel in the wilderness of sinai and in the land of palestine.

Ultimate Reality

What I have always found odd about this QFR (in addition to the obvious) is that the question has nothing to do with disfellowshipping for apostasy.

It's as if one can only be disfellowshipped for apostasy -- but we know that's not the case. Perhaps the author was not paying attention.

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Well, I told my mom today that I haven't been to a meeting in 5 months plus I need some advise for next Saturday

by doublelife in

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me and my mom made plans to see each other today so this morning she called me and said she was already in my area and wanted to know where to meet up.

i told her that i wasn't ready yet so to come to my apartment first.

i said that me and my husband are still in our pjs and she gasped and ask, "you didn't go to the meeting today?

Ultimate Reality

Don't make statements of belief. Just ask questions.

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Well, I told my mom today that I haven't been to a meeting in 5 months plus I need some advise for next Saturday

by doublelife in

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friends

me and my mom made plans to see each other today so this morning she called me and said she was already in my area and wanted to know where to meet up.

i told her that i wasn't ready yet so to come to my apartment first.

i said that me and my husband are still in our pjs and she gasped and ask, "you didn't go to the meeting today?

Ultimate Reality

They will focus on 2 Chronicles 36:21 and Daniel 9:2. Remember, Daniel said 'devastations' -- plural. 2 Chron talks about sabbaths DURING the time the land was desolated and how Jeremiah's 70 years were fulfilled by the Persian overthrow of Babylon addressed in that same chapter.

These are one sentence references to Jeremiah 25. To know what Jeremiah said, make them read the whole chapter. Remember when you get to the section on calamity starting with Jerusalem late in the chapter, the Society applies this to events taking place in Jehoiakim's reign -- not the Temple destruction.

This also brings us to when Daniel was actually taken from Jerusalem. He was taken before the major deportation that occurred under Jehoiachin. In Daniel chapter 1, Daniel himself claims he was taken under Jehoiakim along with some of the Temple utensils. But, the Society claims he was taken under Jehoiachin. Ask them why, since 2 Chron 36 describes two separate Temple raids -- the Society glosses over this.

Focus on one point only at first: Where in Jeremiah's 25th chapter do we find the reason to apply the '70 years' to the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem rather than 70 years of servitude for all the nations mentioned in the chapter? No where will you find anything about Sabbath's for the land of Judah nor anything about the destruction of the Temple.

It is critical to understand how and why the Society has interpreted these verses. It takes some time to understand all this. Do not focus on the 'secular' evidence. Focus on the Bible and the Society's flawed interpretation.

Another Jeremiah point; focus on how Jeremiah 29 was written to exiles taken about 10 years before the destruction of the Temple (were they to be there 80 rather than 70 years?).

Finally, Zechariah chapter 7: These verses are NOT about the 70 Years of Jeremiah's prophecy but about what had been happening the past 70 years -- specifically, since the destruction of the Temple. According to the Insight Volumes he wrote this in December of 518 BCE (within the 70th year of the 587 BCE destruction date). If he did not really mean that, why did he write it? Should we not stick to the obvious and plain meaning of scriptures?

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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-07-10 WT Review (ADVANCEMENT)

by blondie in

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"--1 tim.

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Ultimate Reality

Thanks Blondie!

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Whatever happened to the poster named V?

by SnakesInTheTower in

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i get a 403 message for the watchtower comments web site... the youtube channel hasnt been visited by v in 8 months and it was april when v was here last?.

anyone know what ever became of v?

thanks for the update....pm me if you would rather not post on the public board.... snakes (rich .

Ultimate Reality

bttt

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NEW GENERATION DEFINED -- April 15, 2010 Watchtower

by Ultimate Reality in

from jw.org, here is the new definition of the generation from the april 15, 2010 watchtower.. .

article: holy spirits role in the outworking of jehovahs purpose.

13 third, holy spirit is at work in bringing bible.

Ultimate Reality

They have been planning this since the convoluted explanation in 2008. When the current 2010 article says, "It usually refers to people of varying ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period", it is referring to the 2008 article that created this definition (see below). Of course, this does not fit the 1st Century parallel, and no one would ever read Jesus' words and arrive at this meaning, but faith in 1914 and the urgency of the times must be maintained.

From the February 15, 2008 Watchtower; the 'box' on Can We Calculate the Length of "This Generation"?:

The word "generation" usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event. For example, Exodus 1:6 tells us: "Eventually Joseph died, and also all his brothers and all that generation." Joseph and his brothers varied in age, but they shared a common experience during the same time period. Included in "that generation" were some of Joseph's brothers who were born before him. Some of these outlived Joseph. (Gen. 50:24) Others of "that generation," such as Benjamin, were born after Joseph was born and may have lived on after he died.

So when the term "generation" is used with reference to people living at a particular time, the exact length of that time cannot be stated except that it does have an end and would not be excessively long. Therefore, by using the term "this generation," as recorded at Matthew 24:34, Jesus did not give his disciples a formula to enable them to determine when "the last days" would end. Rather, Jesus went on to emphasize that they would not know "that day and hour."—2 Tim. 3:1; Matt. 24:36.